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These are the most general tips on being a good IC
* Never flake
* Don't lurk
* Never be replaced
* Treat the game like a normal game
* Teach about game theory, glossary
** Explain everything as much as you can.
  Be friendly, be helpful, and don't do stupid things.  
  Be friendly, be helpful, and don't do stupid things.  
  - Thestatusquo
  - Thestatusquo


These are the most general tips on being a good IC
* Never flake/be replaced:
For a newbie games are a new and strange experience. It is difficult enough for them to attempt to get reads on players and understand what is and is not scummy without having to deal with people coming in and out of the game willy nilly. They already have to deal with other newbies consistently being replaced, so don't add the ICs to the list of people who are unstable in the game. Secondly, getting replaced as an IC is a very difficult thing for a mod to deal with, as ICs are scarce. Think of your signing up as an IC as a donation. When you flake or ask to be replaced, it's like donating 75 cents to salvation army, and then walking half way to your car, turning around, and taking it back out. It's mean, and it doesn't make any sense. Of course there is room for real life crises to occur, but remember that being replaced as an IC is more difficult for the mod, and has a greater impact than it would in a normal game.
* Don't lurk:
Lurking kills newbie games. There are only 7-9 players in the game as is, so there are a decreased number of people posting in the game to begin with. Do not subtract from that number. Make an effort to post in the game, and post regularly. As an IC you are at least partially responsible for the flow of the game, because very often the other players in the game will not understand why more discussion is a good thing. You want to lead by example. Secondly, you want to give the newbies a good first experience. GAMES WHERE NO ONE IS POSTING ARE NOT FUN. Give them a fun game. Give yourself a fun game. Don't lurk.


<blockquote>Newbies get paralyzed all the time, trying to sort out what happens next. When ICs lurk, it provides an example that this is 'how it's done" on this site, which hurts every game they will be in in the future until/unless they learn otherwise.
-Mr. Flay</blockquote>
* Treat the game like a normal game:
The easiest way for newbies to learn is to watch good players playing at their best. Do not attempt to water down your game, or play any differently in terms of your objectives as you would in any other game. Make sure you're playing to win, and make sure you attack just as hard as you would in any other game. Do not attempt to coddle the newbies by playing down to their level, as that will not help them advance as players, and thats pretty much the point of the game.
<blockquote>Remember, while it's supposed to be an introduction, a newbie game is first and foremost a game of mafia, just as real as any other game on the site. A newbie is playing a newbie game because he wants to play mafia, so you should really play mafia with them; have fun, be as aggressive as you'd normally be, don't feel like you should pull your punches in a way that will hurt your game play just because you're worried about scaring off newbies or whatever. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't be nice to the newbies in general, of course, but if you're town and think a newbies acting scummy, or if you're scum and think it's in your best interest to try to get someone lynched, don't be afraid to go after him or her with everything you've got just like you would anyone else. I know when I was a newbie, I would have hated to feel like I was being handled with kid gloves, especially considering the shock going into a normal game would be after that.
-Yosarian2</blockquote>
* Teach about game theory, glossary:
While you might be playing with some players who know the ropes, most likely you'll be playing with people that do not necessarily know very much about mafia. This means that it is your responsibility to attempt to instruct them! That is why you're there, after all. Make sure that they are not confused by the terms you are using, or about what is going on in the game.
* Explain everything as much as you can.
By the same token don't be a mystery. While in some situations is best to hold back reasons for various in game purposes, newbie games are probably not the place for such tactics. Because they are just getting their first taste of mafia, your insights and reasoning are valuable to them. Seeing the way that experienced players think about the game will help them develop their own scum hunting skills later on down the road.
<blockquote>I think it's important to try to explain possible situations where a newbie might make a disastrous mistake that loses the game (such as Day 2 voting), so that they can avoid it.
-Mastermind of Sin</blockquote>
* Ethics:
It is important to remember that playing as an IC you take on two completely different roles. You take on the role that the mod PMs you, but you also take on the role of an IC in the game. When you take game actions, you should ask yourself "am I acting as an IC or as a "insert role here" right now" While it is ok to lie as scum, it is NEVER ok to lie in your role as an IC. Never lie about game theory, etc etc etc to get a tactical advantage. This is not fair, outside the bounds of the game, and will leave a sour taste in everyones mouth. When you are acting as an IC, try to be as helpful and honest as possible, but when you are acting as scum, be as deceptive as possible. It's a tough thing to juggle, but it's worth it.
<blockquote>As scum, I think you should be as helpful as possible without compromising your own ability to win the game. Play like you would if you were scum in a regular game, but explain all the things that we assume players in regular games would know and understand. If you're scum, it's very important to sit down after the game and explain anything you omitted during the course of the game.... [Y]ou shouldn't purposefully give bad advice on how to play the game, because that turns people away when they find out you screwed them over like that just to win a newbie game when you're supposed to be helping them.
-Mastermind of Sin</blockquote>


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Revision as of 00:23, 3 May 2008

Be friendly, be helpful, and don't do stupid things. 
- Thestatusquo

These are the most general tips on being a good IC

  • Never flake/be replaced:

For a newbie games are a new and strange experience. It is difficult enough for them to attempt to get reads on players and understand what is and is not scummy without having to deal with people coming in and out of the game willy nilly. They already have to deal with other newbies consistently being replaced, so don't add the ICs to the list of people who are unstable in the game. Secondly, getting replaced as an IC is a very difficult thing for a mod to deal with, as ICs are scarce. Think of your signing up as an IC as a donation. When you flake or ask to be replaced, it's like donating 75 cents to salvation army, and then walking half way to your car, turning around, and taking it back out. It's mean, and it doesn't make any sense. Of course there is room for real life crises to occur, but remember that being replaced as an IC is more difficult for the mod, and has a greater impact than it would in a normal game.

  • Don't lurk:

Lurking kills newbie games. There are only 7-9 players in the game as is, so there are a decreased number of people posting in the game to begin with. Do not subtract from that number. Make an effort to post in the game, and post regularly. As an IC you are at least partially responsible for the flow of the game, because very often the other players in the game will not understand why more discussion is a good thing. You want to lead by example. Secondly, you want to give the newbies a good first experience. GAMES WHERE NO ONE IS POSTING ARE NOT FUN. Give them a fun game. Give yourself a fun game. Don't lurk.

Newbies get paralyzed all the time, trying to sort out what happens next. When ICs lurk, it provides an example that this is 'how it's done" on this site, which hurts every game they will be in in the future until/unless they learn otherwise. -Mr. Flay

  • Treat the game like a normal game:

The easiest way for newbies to learn is to watch good players playing at their best. Do not attempt to water down your game, or play any differently in terms of your objectives as you would in any other game. Make sure you're playing to win, and make sure you attack just as hard as you would in any other game. Do not attempt to coddle the newbies by playing down to their level, as that will not help them advance as players, and thats pretty much the point of the game.

Remember, while it's supposed to be an introduction, a newbie game is first and foremost a game of mafia, just as real as any other game on the site. A newbie is playing a newbie game because he wants to play mafia, so you should really play mafia with them; have fun, be as aggressive as you'd normally be, don't feel like you should pull your punches in a way that will hurt your game play just because you're worried about scaring off newbies or whatever. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't be nice to the newbies in general, of course, but if you're town and think a newbies acting scummy, or if you're scum and think it's in your best interest to try to get someone lynched, don't be afraid to go after him or her with everything you've got just like you would anyone else. I know when I was a newbie, I would have hated to feel like I was being handled with kid gloves, especially considering the shock going into a normal game would be after that. -Yosarian2

  • Teach about game theory, glossary:

While you might be playing with some players who know the ropes, most likely you'll be playing with people that do not necessarily know very much about mafia. This means that it is your responsibility to attempt to instruct them! That is why you're there, after all. Make sure that they are not confused by the terms you are using, or about what is going on in the game.

  • Explain everything as much as you can.

By the same token don't be a mystery. While in some situations is best to hold back reasons for various in game purposes, newbie games are probably not the place for such tactics. Because they are just getting their first taste of mafia, your insights and reasoning are valuable to them. Seeing the way that experienced players think about the game will help them develop their own scum hunting skills later on down the road.

I think it's important to try to explain possible situations where a newbie might make a disastrous mistake that loses the game (such as Day 2 voting), so that they can avoid it. -Mastermind of Sin

  • Ethics:

It is important to remember that playing as an IC you take on two completely different roles. You take on the role that the mod PMs you, but you also take on the role of an IC in the game. When you take game actions, you should ask yourself "am I acting as an IC or as a "insert role here" right now" While it is ok to lie as scum, it is NEVER ok to lie in your role as an IC. Never lie about game theory, etc etc etc to get a tactical advantage. This is not fair, outside the bounds of the game, and will leave a sour taste in everyones mouth. When you are acting as an IC, try to be as helpful and honest as possible, but when you are acting as scum, be as deceptive as possible. It's a tough thing to juggle, but it's worth it.

As scum, I think you should be as helpful as possible without compromising your own ability to win the game. Play like you would if you were scum in a regular game, but explain all the things that we assume players in regular games would know and understand. If you're scum, it's very important to sit down after the game and explain anything you omitted during the course of the game.... [Y]ou shouldn't purposefully give bad advice on how to play the game, because that turns people away when they find out you screwed them over like that just to win a newbie game when you're supposed to be helping them. -Mastermind of Sin