Talk:Game Record (boilerplate)

General

this page is an attempt to create a template for the Game pages on MafiaWiki... EVERYTHING is subjective, so please critique as much as you want... name what you like, name what you dislike, even the smallest of details... this page utilizes a lot of templates to make the creation of additional pages as simple as possible... the templates included on this page are:

• Template:Color
• Template:Gamebox
• Template:Link
• Template:Nchoice
• Template:Player
• Template:Prole
• Template:TOCright
• Template:Votes

so please critique them as well... thanks!-- LyingBrian 03:14, 20 August 2007 (MDT)

From the point of view of a somewhat experienced HTML/XML/CSS coder, I strongly recommend not using <font color="#00000">. Use <span style="color:#00000"> instead. I fixed this myself. Also, there is a CSS shorthand you might find useful: When you have an RGB code consisting of three pairs (such as #00aa00), you can abbreviate this by using only one letter per pair (using the previous example, #0a0). This shortcut will not work with something like #0cdea1 or even #0000a5; the color code must consist of three "double digits".

ok, i'll take your word about <font color=> vs. <span style="color:">... thanks for the shorthand tip...-- LyingBrian 00:52, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

My other major concern comes from being a Newbie to Mafia. I'd really prefer to see the game in chronological order (Night 0, Day 1, Night 1, ... Endgame) rather than scrolling back and forth between separate "Day" and "Night" sections.

yeah, a couple other people said the same thing... i don't remember why i liked them separated, so i fixed it...-- LyingBrian 00:52, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

A third concern come from my time on Wikipedia. It is generally considered a Bad Idea to have heading consisting entirely of a link. SigmaEpsilon (talk) 19:20, 20 August 2007 (MDT)

again, you're the expert, so i'll take your word... i kinda didn't like it either... i fixed this as well...-- LyingBrian 00:52, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

Vote Counts

awww, SE used a table for the vote count [sarcasm]somebody should've thought of this earlier[/sarcasm]... SE, here's a link to the discussion we had about this subject Wiki Group... basically, most everybody (read everyone except me) want the vote counts in the wiki to look like the vote counts in the threads, i couldn't create a table that was easy enough to fill out (maybe a template?), and also mith doesn't like white space... you would probably have my support if we wanted to bring this up again, but i don't thing it's a big enough of a deal to worry about...-- LyingBrian 01:13, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

As far as the presentation of the rest of the page, the table'd vote count does look really out of place. Though I'm not really in love with the jumbled one-liners, either. Hmm. --YYCguy 08:33, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

What mith said was: "Raw HTML tables in general look bad. Especially when they're sitting in a fairly sleek looking wiki. I much prefer the one-line vote list I used in the Open games, and that's what we're more used to in vote counts anyway." The version I have is far different from "raw HTML." I'm using CSS, which results in a VASTLY superior appearance to what "raw HTML" can achieve. As far as "one line per vote" is concerned, I can easily change that. The one-name-per-line was just an experiment. I changed it back. Personally, I find this like "{ Commodore Amazing | LyingBrian | Poker | SpamWise |}" weird looking. That line looks very much like a table (just add a "|" after the "{"), yet it's not a table... It's probably just an affect of coming from Wikipedia, but seeing curly braces in ordinary text just seems weird. SigmaEpsilon (talk) 09:02, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

Based on reading through that thread, I'd say it's likely a lost battle ;). But I wouldn't mind trying out other ways to present the vote counts. I agree that the current way feels a bit odd (though I'm getting used to it). --YYCguy 09:17, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

Also, in threads you're very limited. You can't make a table in a thread. Why are limiting ourselves when we have such powerful tools available? SigmaEpsilon (talk) 09:04, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

Actually, you can use tables in the forum (with [table] tags). The vast majority of mods, though, choose not to. --YYCguy 09:17, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

p.s. the 'Grey Screen of Death' just reminded me that the tables i had created were all lost when our crappy server bluehost crashed our site awhile back...-- LyingBrian 01:19, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

Playerlist

Currently, the template has the playerlist is sorted alphabetically. Most game threads, however, have the playerlist sorted by "time of death". What are your thoughts on this? Somestrangeflea 02:24, 21 August 2007 (MDT)

Template

I was thinking .. this page serves as a good example of the style we're aiming for (or will, when we finish deciding what that style is ;)), but it's a little cumbersome to use as a template. I'm thinking about creating a stripped down boilerplate template. It would have every section and template that you should need for a game, but only once with the intention that the user can copy and paste to suit their needs. The person creating a game page could subst the page in to where it's going, and then go in and fill in the details. --YYCguy 08:14, 21 August 2007 (MDT)